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no_refunds [2019/01/22 13:52]
Carlos Pedraza [Refunds Offered]
no_refunds [2019/04/24 15:15] (current)
Carlos Pedraza [Refunds Refused]
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 ===== Spamming Kickstarter ===== ===== Spamming Kickstarter =====
  
-Peters had taken to spamming his Kickstarter's comment section with dozens repeated posts, pushing his backers' ​questions and criticism down the screen, effectively silencing critics by making their comments difficult to see by any casual visitor to the page.+Peters had taken to spamming his Kickstarters comment section with dozens ​of repeated posts, pushing his backers’ questions and criticism down the screen, effectively silencing critics by making their comments difficult to see by any casual visitor to the page.
  
 Kickstarter deleted his spam after complaints from backers like Eric Berry, who told Kickstarter:​ Kickstarter deleted his spam after complaints from backers like Eric Berry, who told Kickstarter:​
  
 > The creator [Peters] is currently engaged in a lawsuit with CBS/​Paramount. Backers are concerned and asking questions, but the creator of the project is trying to bury comments by posting spam and insulting backers.(({{::​berry-complaint-kickstarter.jpg?​linkonly|Kickstarter complaint from Axanar backer Eric Berry}}, 11/21/16.)) > The creator [Peters] is currently engaged in a lawsuit with CBS/​Paramount. Backers are concerned and asking questions, but the creator of the project is trying to bury comments by posting spam and insulting backers.(({{::​berry-complaint-kickstarter.jpg?​linkonly|Kickstarter complaint from Axanar backer Eric Berry}}, 11/21/16.))
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 ==== Forced Refunds Silence Critics ==== ==== Forced Refunds Silence Critics ====
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 ==== Blaming Backers ==== ==== Blaming Backers ====
  
-One Kickstarter ​backers ​asked Peters' ​how far he was willing to go to silence critics:+One Kickstarter ​backer ​asked Peters’ how far he was willing to go to silence critics:
  
 > Are you going to give all of us unasked for refunds to keep us from posting here? Why do you keep breaking the spamming rules? Why do you not want people asking questions or discussing the project with each other?​(([[https://​www.kickstarter.com/​projects/​194429923/​star-trek-axanar/​comments?​cursor=15090088#​comment-15090087|George Tait comment, Star Trek Axanar Kickstarter project]], 11/22/16.)) > Are you going to give all of us unasked for refunds to keep us from posting here? Why do you keep breaking the spamming rules? Why do you not want people asking questions or discussing the project with each other?​(([[https://​www.kickstarter.com/​projects/​194429923/​star-trek-axanar/​comments?​cursor=15090088#​comment-15090087|George Tait comment, Star Trek Axanar Kickstarter project]], 11/22/16.))
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 > Let me be clear, I tried to be nice, I tried to accomodate people who seem to have nothing better to spew lies and hate and bullshit. But they proved incapable of acting like adults. Eric Berry, Armsman and Glen Hine, like Sandy Greenberg before them, have proven that I cannot give refunds. We tried and you ruined it. Case closed.(([[https://​www.kickstarter.com/​projects/​194429923/​star-trek-axanar/​comments?​cursor=15090240#​comment-15090239|Alec Peters post, Star Trek Axanar Kickstarter project]], 11/22/16.)) > Let me be clear, I tried to be nice, I tried to accomodate people who seem to have nothing better to spew lies and hate and bullshit. But they proved incapable of acting like adults. Eric Berry, Armsman and Glen Hine, like Sandy Greenberg before them, have proven that I cannot give refunds. We tried and you ruined it. Case closed.(([[https://​www.kickstarter.com/​projects/​194429923/​star-trek-axanar/​comments?​cursor=15090240#​comment-15090239|Alec Peters post, Star Trek Axanar Kickstarter project]], 11/22/16.))
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 ===== Mollifying Donors ===== ===== Mollifying Donors =====
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 ==== Refunds Refused ==== ==== Refunds Refused ====
  
-Some donors weren't buying it: "Send me my refund. Thanks,"​ James Gwinnell asked Peters after he tried to get donors to read about Axanar's lawsuit on the blog Peters called "the only legitimate news source on the Axanar lawsuit online."​ Gwinnell asked again, "Can you refund my $75?" ​+Some donors werent buying it: "Send me my refund. Thanks,"​ James Gwinnell asked Peters after he tried to get donors to read about Axanars lawsuit on the blog Peters called "the only legitimate news source on the Axanar lawsuit online."​ Gwinnell asked again, "Can you refund my $75?"
  
-<WRAP right round box 50%> +<WRAP right round box 320px> //**__« AxaMonitor is run by a cyber stalker who has never said one good thing about Axanar. »__ **//  — //Alec Peters, Axanar producer// </​WRAP>​
-//**__« AxaMonitor is run by a cyber stalker who has never said one good thing about Axanar. »__**// — //Alec Peters, Axanar producer// +
-</​WRAP>​+
  
 Peters instead told his Kickstarter donors: Peters instead told his Kickstarter donors:
  
-> I am sorry, but since we are still working on this project, there are no refunds. As to this stupid nonsense that we have made a [[industry_studios|for-profit studio]], I suggest you actually read what we post rather than believing everything you read on the Internet.(({{ ::​peters-refunds.jpg?​linkonly|Alec Peters post, Star Trek Axanar Kickstarter project, 10/​5/​16.}}))+> I am sorry, but since we are still working on this project, there are no refunds. As to this stupid nonsense that we have made a [[:industry_studios|for-profit studio]], I suggest you actually read what we post rather than believing everything you read on the Internet.(({{ ::​peters-refunds.jpg?​linkonly|Alec Peters post, Star Trek Axanar Kickstarter project, 10/​5/​16.}})) 
  
 ==== Myths. Busted. ==== ==== Myths. Busted. ====