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 +<wrap lo>//Main article: [[axanar_guidelines|Axanar Tries to Rally Fan Films to Its Proposed Guidelines]]// \\
 +//See also: [[leaker_accused|Peters Accuses Guidelines Leaker]]// and //[[intrepid|‘Intrepid’ Suspends Production]]//.</wrap>
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 In the aftermath of Axanar producer [[Alec Peters]]' disclosure of fan producers who were involved, most productions publicly disavowed [[axanar_guidelines|Peters' attempt]] to bolster his settlement position in the [[lawsuit]] brought by [[CBS]] and [[paramount_pictures|Paramount Pictures]]. In the aftermath of Axanar producer [[Alec Peters]]' disclosure of fan producers who were involved, most productions publicly disavowed [[axanar_guidelines|Peters' attempt]] to bolster his settlement position in the [[lawsuit]] brought by [[CBS]] and [[paramount_pictures|Paramount Pictures]].
  
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 > Just to be clear, these aren't "Alec's Guidelines." They were developed by 8 fan film producers. > Just to be clear, these aren't "Alec's Guidelines." They were developed by 8 fan film producers.
  
-[{{ ::support-cbs.jpg?direct&200|**FAN PRODUCTIONS** began using this banner following news of Axanar's attempt to rally fan films behind its proposed guidelines.}}]+[{{ ::nick-cook.jpg?300|**SUSPENDS PRODUCTION** The long-running //Star Trek: Intrepid// [[intrepid|suspended production]] in the wake of the Axanar lawsuit and uncertainty over production guidelines. Pictured: Producer, writer and star **Nick Cook** (left) and co-star **Michael Cugley**.}}]
  
-However, most of those producers characterized their involvement as merely commenting on draft guidelines provided them by Peters, who went on to [[axanar_guidelines#participating producers|publicly name]] the producers in an early-morning interview with pro-Axanar blogger Dave Heagney Jr. +However, most of those producers characterized their involvement as merely commenting on draft guidelines provided them by Peters. 
 + 
 +"None of us fan-filmmakers wrote any of those guidelines that were posted," said Yorktown producer John Atkin. "We simply made suggestions to Alec as to what (we felt) should be taken out of the draft we were shown."((Private Facebook message from John Atkin to AxaMonitor editor Carlos Pedraza, 5/27/16.)) 
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 +Even so, Peters went on to [[axanar_guidelines#participating producers|publicly name]] the producers in an early-morning interview with pro-Axanar blogger Dave Heagney Jr. 
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 +<WRAP> 
 +//**__« It would appear the reason for releasing the names is to create a false appearance of support for Peters and Axanar as a means to strengthen their negotiating position. »__**// <wrap indent>— //Starbase Studios statement//</wrap> 
 +</WRAP>
  
 ==== Fan Production Statements ==== ==== Fan Production Statements ====
  
-The following are the public statements, almost all outright disavowals or distancing from Peters' efforts or Axanar in general. ((List of statements compiled by Alan Castillo in the CBS/Paramount vs. Axanar Facebook group; add citation.))+The following are the public statements, almost all outright disavowals or distancing from Peters' efforts or Axanar in general. (([[face>groups/CBSvsAxanar/permalink/1226061717405196/|List of statements compiled by Alan Castillo in the CBS/Paramount vs. Axanar Facebook group]], retrieved 5/30/16.))
  
-=== Not Supporting Axanar ===+=== Not Supporting Axanar's Draft Guidelines ===
 <wrap lo>//Click on production name to view statement.//</wrap> <wrap lo>//Click on production name to view statement.//</wrap>
  
 --> Star Trek: Continues# --> Star Trek: Continues#
 //Invited to participate but did not take part.// \\ \\ //Invited to participate but did not take part.// \\ \\
-"For the record, Star Trek Continues is ABSOLUTELY NOT part of any discussion regarding these guidelines, nor will we ever be," state co-producer Lisa Hansell. "Todd [Haberkorn] was sent the guidelines UNSOLICITED. The end. :)"(([[face>groups/CBSvsAxanar/permalink/1225155614162473/?comment_id=1225508207460547&comment_tracking={%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22}|Statement by Lisa Hansell, CBS/Paramount vs. Axanar Facebook group]], 5/27/16.))+"For the record, Star Trek Continues is ABSOLUTELY NOT part of any discussion regarding these guidelines, nor will we ever be," stated co-producer Lisa Hansell. "Todd [Haberkorn] was sent the guidelines UNSOLICITED. The end. :)"(([[face>groups/CBSvsAxanar/permalink/1225155614162473/?comment_id=1225508207460547&comment_tracking={%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22}|Statement by Lisa Hansell, CBS/Paramount vs. Axanar Facebook group]], 5/27/16.))
  
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 //Took part in the Facebook group chat.// \\ \\ //Took part in the Facebook group chat.// \\ \\
 "I want to make myself quite clear on this point; Star Trek is the property of CBS/Paramount. As fans we have no standing and no rights to play in that sandbox," producer Nick Cook posted on his Facebook page. "The owners of Star Trek have been nothing but graceful and accepting of fan works over the last fifteen years and they have every right to decide where the line is drawn on such things. We do not."(([[https://www.facebook.com/captainhunter/posts/10209799253006204|Nick Cook post on his Facebook page]], 5/30/16.)) "I want to make myself quite clear on this point; Star Trek is the property of CBS/Paramount. As fans we have no standing and no rights to play in that sandbox," producer Nick Cook posted on his Facebook page. "The owners of Star Trek have been nothing but graceful and accepting of fan works over the last fifteen years and they have every right to decide where the line is drawn on such things. We do not."(([[https://www.facebook.com/captainhunter/posts/10209799253006204|Nick Cook post on his Facebook page]], 5/30/16.))
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 +//Not invited to participate// \\ \\
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 +Unlike other fan productions, executive producer Robin Hiert took a position early on in the Axanar controversy:
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 +[Dated December 31, 2015]
 +"Yesterday the news reached us about CBS and Paramount launching legal action against Axanar, a crowdfunded fan production," Hiert posted on the Dark Armada website. "This is why I, as the executive producer of Star Trek Dark Armada, feel the need to explain the differences between Axanar and our production and that we in no way support or approve of the actions taken by Axanar or their producer Alec Peters. \\ \\
 +"Let me start by saying we don't accept any kind of financial support by anyone other than our own production team. Everything we produce is funded by our own production members, out of our own pockets. In other words, a fan production; made by the fans and offered to all the fans in the world for free. You could say we are one of the most loyal Star Trek fanclubs, keeping fans engaged with Star Trek without any kind of financial transaction. (Heck... we don’t even advertise on Youtube or our websites in order to avoid receiving any external funds) \\ \\
 +"There is an unwritten rule between CBS/Paramount and fan films saying that we are allowed to produce these films as long as there is no profit or commercial gain. Many fan producers, including myself, think this rule is of 'paramount' importance to be able to continue doing what we enjoy doing so much. \\ \\
 +<wrap hi>We actively advise starting productions to keep this in mind and to avoid asking for donations or crowfunding, because of the negative effects it could have on them or even other productions. Some take our advice to heart, but others, like Axanar, unfortunately ignore it.</wrap> \\ \\
 +"Let me be very clear on this again. We disapprove the actions of Axanar. In our opinion their crowdfunding campaigns should be temporarily suspended until this situation is resolved. \\ \\
 +"We will continue with our production of Star Trek Dark Armada without any financial support as we have done for the past 10 years until we are told otherwise by CBS/Paramount."(([[http://darkarmada.nl/how-star-trek-dark-armada-is-not-funded.php|Robin Hiert post, Star Trek: Dark Armada website]], 12/31/15.))
  
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-"My personal feeling is that CBS will determine what rules (if any) they want to impose and it won't be based on anything that comes from Alec or a few fan films," said producer Tom Moore on TrekBBS. "If my neighbor said he was going to come up with rules so we can play in his yard, my friends and I are not going to dictate what rules we want to him to impose. He will impose his own rules."(([[http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-951#post-11596852|Statement by Tom Moore, TrekBBS]], 5/27/16.)) \\ \\ +//Not invited to participate.// \\ \\ 
-//While he participated in the Facebook discussion, Ryan Husk told// **AxaMonitor** //he did so representing no specific fan production. Peters, however, identified Husk to others as affiliated with Renegades.//((add citation here)) \\ \\ Husk further clarified his position: "I'm not a part of this, never wanted a part in this, and explicitly stated that fact. …  I am not 'of Renegades,' nor do I rep Renegades in any way. Look at [[imdb>name/nm3064669/|my imdb]] and you'll see just how many fan films I've worked on as an actor, producer, and crew — not to mention the ones that are not on imdb. Anything I do or say, is speaking on behalf of myself alone."(([[https://www.facebook.com/cpedraza/posts/10153526213330824?comment_id=10153526610325824&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R8%22%7D|Ryan Husk post on AxaMonitor editor Carlos Pedraza's Facebook page]], 5/27/16.))+“I have been lucky enough to be involved with several fan productions over the years who have enjoyed a friendly relationship with CBS/Paramount by honoring their Intellectual Property," [[http://www.startrekanthology.com|Star Trek: Anthology]] creator Jim Bray said in a news release. "Now as creator of Anthology, I understand that it is by the graciousness of CBS/Paramount that I get to create stories in the Star Trek universe. I have reviewed Alec Peter’s proposed guidelines and reject them. Star Trek Anthology recognizes CBS/Paramount’s Intellectual Property and will abide with whatever guidelines they put forth.”((Jim Bray, in press release from Star Trek: Anthology, retrieved 5/31/16.))
  
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 //Not invited to participate.// \\ \\ //Not invited to participate.// \\ \\
 "I’ve been involved with Starbase Studios since December of 2013, and with Starship Valiant as a main cast member early on," the production stated on its Facebook page. "When I decided to start my own production with Melbourne I knew that I would have obstacles. But nothing has put any of the productions in jeopardy like this whole business of Axanar. \\ \\  "I’ve been involved with Starbase Studios since December of 2013, and with Starship Valiant as a main cast member early on," the production stated on its Facebook page. "When I decided to start my own production with Melbourne I knew that I would have obstacles. But nothing has put any of the productions in jeopardy like this whole business of Axanar. \\ \\ 
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-Insert statement+"I reviewed the suggested guidelines and provided two comments," said producer John Broughton. "That's the extent of my involvement, which should not be construed as pro-Axanar or against Paramount/CBS Television."(([[face>groups/CBSvsAxanar/permalink/1226061717405196/?comment_id=1226304567380911&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R4%22%7D|John Broughton statement, quoted in James Ham post on CBS/Paramount vs. Axanar Facebook page]], 5/28/16.)) 
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 +//Not invited to participate.// \\ \\ 
 +Producer Joe Geragi wrote: "We stand with CBS as Star Trek is 100% their property.  We were honored that they allowed fan films to celebrate the legacy of Star Trek until Axanar took advantage of their goodwill."((Private Facebook message from Joe Geragi to AxaMonitor editor Carlos Pedraza, 5/31/16.))
  
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-\\ \\ +\\ [{{ ::stand-axanar.jpg?direct&200|**RALLYING BANNER** of Axanar's supporters.}}] 
-=== No Statement ===+=== No Formal Statement ===
  
-**Yorktown**+--> Star Trek: Renegades# 
 +//Invited to participate// 
 + 
 +Co-producer Tom Moore told AxaMonitor that Renegades was not officially involved in the discussion and that the production wanted nothing to do with Alec Peters and Axanar.((Private message via TrekBBS from Tom Moore to AxaMonitor editor Carlos Pedraza, 5/31/16.)) His public comments, he said, reflect only his personal opinion.(([[http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-951#post-11596852|Post by Tom Moore, TrekBBS]], 5/27/16.)) \\ \\ 
 +While he participated in the Facebook discussion, co-producer Ryan Husk told **AxaMonitor** he did so representing no specific fan production. Peters, however, had identified Husk to other invitees as being affiliated with Renegades.(([[http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=axanar_guidelines#participating_productions|Transcript of Alec Peters Facebook private message]] 5/23/16.))\\ \\  
 +Husk further clarified his position: "I'm not a part of this, never wanted a part in this, and explicitly stated that fact. …  I am not 'of Renegades,' nor do I rep Renegades in any way. Look at [[imdb>name/nm3064669/|my imdb]] and you'll see just how many fan films I've worked on as an actor, producer, and crew — not to mention the ones that are not on imdb. Anything I do or say, is speaking on behalf of myself alone."(([[https://www.facebook.com/cpedraza/posts/10153526213330824?comment_id=10153526610325824&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R8%22%7D|Ryan Husk post on AxaMonitor editor Carlos Pedraza's Facebook page]], 5/27/16.)) 
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 === Supports Axanar === === Supports Axanar ===
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 //Took part in the Facebook group chat.// \\ \\ //Took part in the Facebook group chat.// \\ \\
 "OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM GREG LOCK: \\ "OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM GREG LOCK: \\
-"Yesterday, my name and Ambush was mentioned in an article regarding the lawsuit against Axanar, and Alec Peters proposing guidelines that all fan films can work too. The article implemented myself and several other fan film producers as having “talks”. I feel it necessary to issue a statement. +"Yesterday, my name and Ambush was mentioned in an article regarding the lawsuit against Axanar, and Alec Peters proposing guidelines that all fan films can work too. The article implemented myself and several other fan film producers as having “talks”. I feel it necessary to issue a statement. \\ \\ 
-"Firstly, I am not involved in anyway as having talks with CBS/Paramount regarding any future guidelines for Star Trek Fan Films. Alec had some ideas for potential guidelines and invited me into a Facebook discussion group to see what my thoughts were. Somehow the entire message thread was leaked to some sources, especially Axanar Haters and damming articles followed. This message leak was a breach of confidentiality and we are all very angry about this. I did not feel that Alec's actions were unreasonable; he was not telling CBS what to do in my opinion and, if anything, it seemed as always that he wanted to help in anyway he can to facilitate the continuation of fan films. It was quite clear that he was not going to “storm” into the offices of CBS and make demands, far from it. He was also taking advice from his own legal team, still representing him pro-bono who have nothing but Axanar's future in their interests. I therefore did not feel that Alec putting feelers out to see what kind of guidelines we would be happy with to be unjustified. +"Firstly, I am not involved in anyway as having talks with CBS/Paramount regarding any future guidelines for Star Trek Fan Films. Alec had some ideas for potential guidelines and invited me into a Facebook discussion group to see what my thoughts were. Somehow the entire message thread was leaked to some sources, especially Axanar Haters and damming articles followed. This message leak was a breach of confidentiality and we are all very angry about this. I did not feel that Alec's actions were unreasonable; he was not telling CBS what to do in my opinion and, if anything, it seemed as always that he wanted to help in anyway he can to facilitate the continuation of fan films. It was quite clear that he was not going to “storm” into the offices of CBS and make demands, far from it. He was also taking advice from his own legal team, still representing him pro-bono who have nothing but Axanar's future in their interests. I therefore did not feel that Alec putting feelers out to see what kind of guidelines we would be happy with to be unjustified. \\ \\ 
-'I did not feel that the guidelines were unreasonable, for starters if guidelines like those are imposed they will not affect what I have planned for Ambush at all, and would allow me not to worry about possible repercussions. I also felt that the guidelines would not drastically change the plans of much larger ongoing fan films I know of. I will adhere to any guidelines that CBS impose, whether they are drawn from Alec's input or not. My thoughts were that if those were the kind of guidelines we would have, I would be okay with that, which is what I expressed to the other producers in the thread. That is the extent of my personal involvement in this matter. +"I did not feel that the guidelines were unreasonable, for starters if guidelines like those are imposed they will not affect what I have planned for Ambush at all, and would allow me not to worry about possible repercussions. I also felt that the guidelines would not drastically change the plans of much larger ongoing fan films I know of. I will adhere to any guidelines that CBS impose, whether they are drawn from Alec's input or not. My thoughts were that if those were the kind of guidelines we would have, I would be okay with that, which is what I expressed to the other producers in the thread. That is the extent of my personal involvement in this matter. \\ \\ 
-Because of this, it would appear that Axanar and Alec Peters have attracted lots more heat with accusations that he would ruin the future of fan films etc. I am not involved with Axanar, I do not read the finance reports and I try to avoid any strong opinion making on Alec and other fan film producers. At the end of the day we are all in this for our love of Star Trek and we should be united for that one reason. All I will say is this: 2 years ago when I started Ambush up I was completely new to this game, I was just a Star Trek fan with a Film Production Degree who admired the work that went into fan films and wanted to do something myself. Our Kickstarter was launched during the Kickstarter for Prelude to Axanar, I watched their pitch as research for setting up my own and first Kickstarter and was blown away with what I saw. I wanted to network with other fan film makers but figured best stay away from Axanar, as they were obviously in a different league, although the team I have at Ambush are also professional film makers and really getting some great stuff done which I cannot wait for you all to see. I reached out to other fan film makers, I will not say which ones, but basically no one seemed interested in what we were doing. Then Alec reached out to us, he had seen our pitch and was impressed very much, I believed he was most impressed with the originality and new design work we showcased in our Kickstarter. At this point we had already reached our minimum fund-raising goal, but he still wanted to help. Without me even bringing it up he gave us a massive publicity boost which helped get us beyond our stretch goals and since then he has shown nothing but full support of what we are doing at Ambush. Over the last 2 years we have had nothing but gracious support from the Axanar team. +"Because of this, it would appear that Axanar and Alec Peters have attracted lots more heat with accusations that he would ruin the future of fan films etc. I am not involved with Axanar, I do not read the finance reports and I try to avoid any strong opinion making on Alec and other fan film producers. At the end of the day we are all in this for our love of Star Trek and we should be united for that one reason. All I will say is this: 2 years ago when I started Ambush up I was completely new to this game, I was just a Star Trek fan with a Film Production Degree who admired the work that went into fan films and wanted to do something myself. Our Kickstarter was launched during the Kickstarter for Prelude to Axanar, I watched their pitch as research for setting up my own and first Kickstarter and was blown away with what I saw. I wanted to network with other fan film makers but figured best stay away from Axanar, as they were obviously in a different league, although the team I have at Ambush are also professional film makers and really getting some great stuff done which I cannot wait for you all to see. I reached out to other fan film makers, I will not say which ones, but basically no one seemed interested in what we were doing. Then Alec reached out to us, he had seen our pitch and was impressed very much, I believed he was most impressed with the originality and new design work we showcased in our Kickstarter. At this point we had already reached our minimum fund-raising goal, but he still wanted to help. Without me even bringing it up he gave us a massive publicity boost which helped get us beyond our stretch goals and since then he has shown nothing but full support of what we are doing at Ambush. Over the last 2 years we have had nothing but gracious support from the Axanar team. \\ \\ 
-"Now I do not know Alec as well as others, I do not follow the ongoing legal battle in great depth or read every article about Axanar, I have a full time job and many other things going whilst also doing Ambush in my spare time. I certainly do not have any insider knowledge as to what is going on behind the scenes with Axanar. All I do know is, Axanar looks amazing, I want to see it made, period. It does cost a lot of money to make films of high quality. At Ambush we have been very lucky to have warehouse space donated to us to allow us to build sets. A donation that has currently saved us over £24,000! If that was not a donation we wouldn't be able to make the film we are making. Axanar is not the only fan film I have pledged to, there are many others that are also looking great. I believe in what we are doing as fan film makers and feel that in this day and age with the technology that is accessible, making fan films of this high quality is just the next step in the fandom of Star Trek that has kept the franchise alive for the last 50 years. In the 2 years I have known Alec and the Axanar team, they have showed nothing but support for my own film and many others, so that is what I base my opinion on.+"Now I do not know Alec as well as others, I do not follow the ongoing legal battle in great depth or read every article about Axanar, I have a full time job and many other things going whilst also doing Ambush in my spare time. I certainly do not have any insider knowledge as to what is going on behind the scenes with Axanar. All I do know is, Axanar looks amazing, I want to see it made, period. It does cost a lot of money to make films of high quality. At Ambush we have been very lucky to have warehouse space donated to us to allow us to build sets. A donation that has currently saved us over £24,000! If that was not a donation we wouldn't be able to make the film we are making. Axanar is not the only fan film I have pledged to, there are many others that are also looking great. I believe in what we are doing as fan film makers and feel that in this day and age with the technology that is accessible, making fan films of this high quality is just the next step in the fandom of Star Trek that has kept the franchise alive for the last 50 years. In the 2 years I have known Alec and the Axanar team, they have showed nothing but support for my own film and many others, so that is what I base my opinion on. \\ \\
 "As always thank you all for your support of Ambush and your patience, we are working on getting some unique and special updates from last shoot to you in the near future.(([[https://www.facebook.com/startrekambush/posts/1364080490285636|Greg Lock post on Ambush Facebook page]], 5/28/16.)) "As always thank you all for your support of Ambush and your patience, we are working on getting some unique and special updates from last shoot to you in the near future.(([[https://www.facebook.com/startrekambush/posts/1364080490285636|Greg Lock post on Ambush Facebook page]], 5/28/16.))
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